The date of the Revelation of St. John

The subject of the date at which the book of Revelation was written has become a battleground for the debate between Futurists and Preterists.  The Futurists tend to follow the traditional view dating back to the church fathers which places the date during the reign of Domitian around 95-96 AD.  Preterists want to try to prove that all prophecy was fulfilled in 70 AD.  This means that the book of Revelation was fulfilled in 70 AD.  So they must insist that Revelation was written before 70 AD and the destruction of Jerusalem.  The subject came up on a message board, so I typed up some thoughts on the matter.

The early date of Revelation has come from modern scholarship which has an axe to grind about the purpose of Revelation being Preterist in nature. They ignore the evidence of the church fathers in favor of a theory of an early persecution of Christians which they “think” John would have been writing about. It’s ironic to me because modern scholarship argues for a later date for the book of Daniel since they think there is no way Daniel could have had that much intimate knowledge beforehand about the development of the world empires, but they argue for an earlier date of Revelation because they have this theory that it was all about the destruction of the temple.

I had accepted the traditional later date of Revelation until I started researching Preterist tendencies.  I began turning the idea over in my mind that perhaps this work could have been written before the destruction of the temple in AD70.  I have come to the conclusion that if this document had been written and circulated before the destruction of the temple, that it could have been contradictory to the followers of Christ in Jerusalem.

 

The destruction of the temple in light of Revelation 11

 

Jesus had pronounced destruction upon His own generation for the rejection of Himself, the Messiah.  This destruction would include cities in Galilee, the city of Jerusalem and the dismantling of the temple.  The instruction to the Christians was simple.  When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, get out of Jerusalem.  Don’t hole up in the temple, get out.  Christians obeyed this word while those still stuck in Judaism flocked to Jerusalem for protection.  The implication was simple.  Get out because the temple will be completely destroyed just as Daniel and Messiah prophesied, Daniel 9:26, Matthew 24:1-2.

 

But when John is writing the Revelation, we have a section in Revelation 11 which appears contradictory if it would have been written before the destruction took place.  The temple is pictured as trampled down by Gentiles, but only the outer portion.  The inner portion is measured by the angel, as in, it is still set apart for God’s purpose.  The trampling down of the holy city (Jerusalem) is for a limited time only, 42 months.  In conjunction with that time period, two witnesses will be prophesying in Jerusalem while the city is being trampled by the Gentiles.  Let’s not even mention the 144,000 since that would complicate things even more.

 

Let’s just say for a minute that Revelation has an early date and is circulated amongst the disciples.  They read and see that when the treading down of Jerusalem occurs, it will be for only 42 months, and they see that an inward portion of the temple will not be given to the Gentiles.  This would contradict Jesus earlier teachings that the temple would be completely destroyed.  Jesus also wanted all of His followers OUT of Jerusalem before that destruction occurred.  In Revelation, two witnesses and a remnant within the temple who worship will be there through the duration of the 3 ½ years until the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ.  At the end of the 42 months of the trampling down of Jerusalem by the Gentiles, that’s what occurs.  The kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of Christ.  At the end of the testimony of the two witnesses, Messiah begins His reign.

 

The Seven Churches

 

Another reason that I don’t believe it was written before the destruction of Jerusalem is the locations for the seven churches that are used.  Before the destruction of Jerusalem, as pictured in the book of Acts, the two pillar churches are located in Jerusalem and in Antioch.  The churches in Asia were established well after the churches in Galatia, Macedonia, and Greece.  For the development of these seven churches to the be the main churches that Christ addressed as opposed to those in Jerusalem and Antioch, a very big change would have to take place.  Remember that Peter and Paul wrote their final epistles during the reign of Nero, II Timothy and II Peter respectively.  When we come to Revelation, it is as if a huge shift has taken place in the locale of the churches which embodied the believing remnant.

 

The symbolism of the seven candlesticks is a blatant transition of the menora, the seven branched lampstand of the tabernacle. God was showing that even though the mother church at Jerusalem had been scattered because Jerusalem is destroyed, He has providentially preserved His light to the world amongst (gasp!) the Gentiles. To reveal this truth before the destruction would have flown in the face of Israelite believers in Jerusalem, but after the fact it provided comfort. There’s more to this, but if you understand the background of direct continuity between the OT and NT it makes more sense.

 

Lack of AD70 Application in the book of Revelation

 

This may be an argument from silence, but I believe it has some merit.  There is no prophecy within the book that the things which Christ proclaimed during His earthly ministry would come to pass.  There is no mention of the destruction of Jerusalem (or city of Galilee for that matter.)  There is no mention of the dismantling of the temple.  There is no mention of the end of the sacrifices at Jerusalem.  There is just nothing concerning the rejection of the Messiah by Israel save one scant reference in Rev. 1:7.  This hinges on Messiah’s visible return rather than on any AD70 event.

 

The focus seems to be (as far as prophetic events) the rise of an antichrist kingdom (ten kings), antichrist financial system (Babylon), and antichrist person.  This would lead into the great tribulation.  Christ would come during this time and pour out His wrath upon the earth.  Then He will set up His kingdom.  Where in these events do you see room for AD70 fulfillment?

 

It seems to me that the book of Revelation was written after AD70.  I base this on the testimony of the early church as well as internal evidence in Revelation which I have listed above.

 

Have fun and stay busy – Luke 19:13

 

-The Orange Mailman

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17 Responses to The date of the Revelation of St. John

  1. Brian says:

    Hey Darrin,Let me know if you\’d be interested in doing a podcast on the errors of Preterism. It would something like a 45-minute phone conversation which would be uploaded to the internet. What we\’d discuss, basically, is your position on the Olivet Discourse. If you\’re interested in doing such a project, you can respond here, or email me at bsimmons@basicisp.net. Peace & Health,Brian

  2. Darrin says:

    Thanks, Lyle. You must have clicked over here from Polycarp\’s blog.Have fun and stay busy – Luke 19:13-The Orange Mailman

  3. Yeshua is the Lord of Glory says:

    Good morning Darrin…I think that you argue the futurists position well…However,there are somethings,that cannot be dismissed,from the orthodox Preterist view…The first,is the obvious code language used by the Apostle John through-out the book… He was a prisoner and a companion in tribulation,on the island of Patmos…So the letters that he\’d written to the seven churches,would have been delivered and likely read by the Roman authorities…The word of God is not subject to history,but all things historical are subject to the word of God…So how can we overlook certain historical things spoken of in Revelation chapter 17? One being the line of succession of the emperors of Rome…For me,this is the evidence that the book was written before the destruction of the temple… Moreover to place these people and events (war and destruction) into a yet future time,is a hard thing indeed…These five emperors did exist and were fallen (the beast that Was)…Julius, Agustus,Tiberius, Gaius and Claudius… One is (reining now)…This speaks of Nero the 6th emperor of Rome,who reigned until Ad 68… Galba reigned for only 6 months (he must continue a short space)…After Otho and Vitellius,there is Vespasian.who\’s son Titus and his armies destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple…Darrin,a simple cursory view of these emperors/kings and the times of their reign,is overwhelming evidence of an early date,for the writing of the book of Revelation…Another thing,how can the woman (whore),the beast and "the great city" all represent Rome? Why is it written that the ten kings (horns) will hate the whore,make her desolate and burn her with fire? Did Rome hate and burn itself or did Rome hate and burn "symbolic" Babylon and the woman? The Roman armies and its confederation of other gentile nations,on the orders of the then, Emperor of Rome,Vespasian,burned Jerusalem and the temple,killings hundreds of thousands,perhaps a million people… Darrin how can the evidence of a past fulfillment of "most" of what is written in the book,not be considered? Final point,in Revelation 21,the Apostle John said that he saw no temple in the New Jerusalem,but that God Almighty and the Lamb were the temple there of…There is no temple in the future New Jerusalem.There is no temple standing now,but there was a temple standing before Ad70…And here is the mind which hath wisdom.The seven heads are seven mountains,on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen,and one is,and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh,he must continue a short space.And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.Revalation 17:9-11And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. Revelation 17:16And I saw no temple therein:for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. Revelation 21:22

  4. Darrin says:

    Hello to you, errr…. do you have a name?I like the Futurist position, but I am willing to concede Historicist and Preterist points where they are necessary. I have always considered the five fallen heads to be five fallen empires, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and the one that now is would be Rome. I realize the text states kings, but I view the ruler to be one with the empire in some respects. If you research, there is language to suggest that each of those empires was used by Satan as a tool in authority over the nation of Israel. I will consider the five emperors.What about the apparent contradiction between Christ\’s instruction to the disciples to flee Jerusalem and the statement in Revelation 11 that only the outer court would be given to the Gentiles? It wasn\’t just the outer court that was trampled for 42 months in 70AD. Plus, was that 42 months?The insight as to the New Jerusalem having no temple is describing a city that will descend from heaven to earth. Within the boundaries of that city there is no temple for there is no need of a temple. When did that city descend from heaven to earth in your view? Or is it future?As far as the whore, the beast, and Rome, you would have to stick around to understand my views. The great prostitute is representative of all who persecute and kill the believers, but can be localized to a certain city at the time of the end. The seven headed ten horned beast is both a person and an empire. He is the eighth king of the seventh empire.Have fun and stay busy – Luke 19:13-The Orange Mailman

  5. Yeshua is the Lord of Glory says:

    Hi Darrin, sorry about that i thought that i had added the moniker/handle…Yeshua is the Lord of Glory…I understand the language that John uses,to be in CODE,as i said in my previous comment…I do not see the temple being destroyed as being an "apparent contradiction" to anything that the Lord Jesus said,to what is written in Revelation 11…Titus blamed the Jews for the destruction of their own temple…According to Josephus he nearly pleaded with them to move the battle away from the Holy House.Yet they listen to the false prophet instead,who told them that God would protect the Temple…Josephus\’ writes that Titus himself ran into the temple in an attempt to get his own soldiers,to put out the fire…Moreover,the destruction of the city and of the Temple was foretold by both the Lord and Daniel…And so it was as the Lord and Daniel both said it would be… The Lord\’s warning to believers to flee Jerusalem,tho many futurist would deny it,is also written in Luke 21:20,21…Was not Jerusalem encompassed by armies,before the destruction of it began? Yes,this particular war began in the spring of AD67 Under Nero\’s reign and ended in late summer or early fall under the reign of Vespasian in Ad70. When you research,consider the 7th emperor Galba and 8th Otho,and 9th Vitellius and finally the TENTH emperor Vespasian,under who\’s reign the Temple was destroyed…There is no way that you or anyone else could think this to be a coincidence… Darrin,with the additional month that is added,every three years to the Hebrew calendar,this war did indeed last for 42 months or three and half years…Remember the Apostle John was not Greek,he was a Jew…Therefore it is not by chance that the Man "Beast" Rev.13 and the number of his name 666 or in some translations 616… " Neron Kaiser " (Greek or Latin)… NRWNQSR (Hebrew)… Is the equivalent of 666,even with the variation of 666 or 616… Darrin,not one Christian,Jewish,Greek or Latin,would not have known whom the Apostle John spoke of…Which was Nero Ceasar…He was the one that was reigning as emperor,when the book of Revelation was written…Think this to be coincidence too? Absolutely,i have the same view as you concerning the city New Jerusalem,that it comes down from Heaven and that it is yet future… I am not a Heretic (i meant to say Hyper Preterist)… I will stick around a hear your views Darrin,and will continue to consider them,as i do now… I was not an Orthodox Preterist 5 months ago…I do not hold to Preterism,with an iron grip…Only the literal and bodily return of our Lord and Savior,the resurrection,the consummation and the final judgment,are the things that i hold too solidly… I began 7 years ago as a Premillennial Dispensationalist,the "left behind kind"…So many of the things that you believe now,i did also at one time or another… Believe this Darren,i am even now learning from you,tho i do disagree with you concerning Prophecy and Eschatology…This is why i continue to read your writings…Yeshua is the Lord of Glory

  6. Yeshua is the Lord of Glory says:

    Darrin,i believe that this sites would be considered,unfavorable to either futurists or Preterists and their respective viewpoints…http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/emperors/ig/12-Caesars/http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/war-6.htmhttp://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/suetonius-index.htmlhttp://www.merriampark.com/numbeast.htm#NeroYeshua is the Lord of Glory

  7. Yeshua is the Lord of Glory says:

    Hi again DarrinThis is probably the most important of the links that i wanted you to see…This one concerns the persecution of Christian by Nero Ceasar.There are refrences to the Apostles Peter and Paul and the book of Acts… http://www.rlhymersjr.com/Online_Sermons/2007/042207PM_FirstGreatPersecution.html

  8. Yeshua is the Lord of Glory says:

    Hi Darrin just a side note:Three months before Titus came to destroy the city and ultimately the temple was destroyed…Celtius Gallus and his army(s) was there and suddenly without any known reason retreated….According to Josephus,Tacitus,and many futurist and non futurist commentators,that is when all the Christians,which headed the words of the Lord escaped,and fled to Perea or Pella…Not one them was lost in the siege of Jerusalem…This information and much more is on the Preterist Archive site…I will NOT display that link on your blog…Yeshua is the LOrd of Glory

  9. Darrin says:

    Hello again-My inquiry was if you have a name. I realize your moniker is Yeshua is the Lord of Glory, but I feel awkward calling someone by that title. Anyway…I concede Preterism where it is obvious. Jesus spoke in terms of condemning His own generation by the language that He used. He spoke about the destruction of certain cities of Galilee, the destruction of Jerusalem, and the destruction of the temple. There is no way around these facts. These prophecies which were fulfilled in the generation of those who heard Jesus spoke validated the ministry of Jesus as a prophet.My series on Preterism that I did was so well like by the Preterists, that they posted links to my articles on their website. Feel free to check it out right here.http://www.preteristsite.com/authorindex2.html#oThese fulfilled prophecies did not usher in the new age, but opened up the last days of the end of this age just before Christ would come in glory which would usher in the new age. The resurrection did not occur. The rewards for the saints did not occur. The new heaven and new earth did not come to pass. So much of my point in the book of Revelation is examining what the subject matter is. It is the end of this age. It is the coming to pass of the new heavens and new earth. It is the promise of the resurrection. It is rewards for the saints. So where in the whole book is 70AD fulfillment in light of the fact that none of these things came to pass in 70AD?It\’s difficult for me to understand your view of the war being 3 1/2 years long, supposedly corresponding with events in Revelation. Jesus spoke that the abomination of desolation would occur first, then the great tribulation would follow that. Are you placing the great tribulation first, followed by the destruction of the temple last (which you may view to be the abomination of desolation?)??? I think it is difficult to place a beginning point on this war. While Vespasian took over in spring of 67AD, at which time he began his assault on Galilee, the war had obviously been going on before this as Jerusalem was full of insurrectionists already. I would think the war begins at the official seige of Jerusalem, but I could entertain other ideas as well.Thank you for stating your views here. I am open to debating these things and have found adequate support in the Bible for Preterist fulfillment, but the book of Revelation is centered around events that are to occur well after 70AD, and was written after 70AD as the church fathers attested.Have fun and stay busy – Luke 19:13-The Orange Mailman

  10. Yeshua is the Lord of Glory says:

    Hi DarrinI believe this is what Jesus said…And when ye shall see (Jerusalem compassed with armies,) then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck,(in those days!) for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon (this people).And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. Luke 21:20-24 Darrin,the Abomination of desolation was gentile armies standing in the Holy Land (place) carrying/waving their ensigns or flying eagles and displaying them on their battlements…This did happen in Ad70… As i said to you before,i am not a hyper Preterist,so i know and believe that the literal and bodily coming of Christ,the resurrection,the consummation and the final judgment did not occur in 70Ad…They are yet future…Darrin i am not a dispensationalist…So i only see in the scriptures the differences in the administration of God\’s grace… Christ Jesus confirmed the New Covenant with many (believing Israel) for 3 and a half years…See Mark 1:15…Using the day for a year principle (Ezekiel 4:4-6),it was called the middle of the week,that the Lord was crucified…It has nothing to do with the first half of a remaining seven years…I have stated before,that from the birth of Christ to the destruction of the temple in Ad70,there are 70 years or better said,70 weeks…We know that Jesus was born before Herod died in 4BC… Now let us consider the Hebrew calendar,with the additional month (Adar) added every three years…This gives us 23 months and app.10 days added,between Jesus\’ birth and the destruction of the temple in Ad70…These are the complete 70 weeks of Daniel…The children of Israel were given 40 years to repent,and the Gospel was preached to them,during the whole 40 years…From the forerunner,John the Baptist,to the beginning of the Lord\’s ministry,to the destruction of the that temple… Darrin,there is no supposed correspondence,with the events in Revelation…As i have also said,history is subject to the word of God and not the other way around…Some say that this particular war began in ad 66 others say 67…Nevertheless,the very same temple that was built unto the Messiah,is the same temple that Simeon held him in,40 days after his birth…Luke 2:22-35…This is the same temple that was destroyed 70 years later…The instruments of the destruction was the Roman army and the coalition of other Gentiles… This 483 or 490 year calculation,was never the way that the scriptures intended the years to be counted…Read Daniel 9:1-21 and then 9:22-27 again…They were to be counted from the Lord\’s birth to the destruction of the temple,which is 70 years…The persecution of Christians under Nero is a fact…The destruction of the Temple taking place under Vespasian is a another fact…Daniel 9:24-27 tells us when the Messiah would be born,when he would die,and when the age would end…Here is the significance of Ad70,it was the end of the age…

  11. Yeshua is the Lord of Glory says:

    Sorry Darrin,i have a Correction:The Lord was crucified on the preparation day of the Passover lambs (middle of the week)… Followed by the Passover…Unleaven bread and The 7th day Sabbath… He lay in the heart of the Earth for three consecutive Sabbaths…Sundown to Sundown…PLEASE SCRATCH (ignore) THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT—- Using the day for a year principle (Ezekiel 4:4-6),it was called the middle of the week,that the Lord was crucified…

  12. Yeshua is the Lord of Glory says:

    Hi again DarrinNowhere in scriptures do you find the term " the great tribulation"…Jesus said great tribulation in Matthew The Apostle John said great tribulation in Revelation…Why do you call it " the Great tribulation" and place it as a yet future event? You have imposed upon the scriptures something that it does not state…Read Luke 21:20-24 again…The Abomination of Desolation was Gentile armies carrying and displaying their ensigns,and idols upon their battlements…Standing in the holy place,making ready to lay waste (desolate) Jerusalem and ultimately the temple…The suffering and death of unbelievers of " that generation" is a past event…Where is it written that this was to be a future worldwide event? So yes i do believe that the abomination of desolation came before " the tribulation" began… Again,the Abomination were the Roman and other Gentile armies (a coalition)…The Desolation was the destruction…Great tribulation was the suffering and death of the unbelievers of " that generation"…

  13. Darrin says:

    Hey Hey. First off, the 70 weeks in Daniel has its beginning point as the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. It plainly states, "From the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem". That\’s your beginning. Then we have the terminus a quo, Messiah the Prince. Then we have the duration, 7 weeks and 62 weeks. During that 7 weeks and 62 weeks, the street and wall (of Jerusalem) will be rebuilt during troublous times. Then it is explained what portion of Messiah\’s ministry is at the end of the 62 weeks: His death. Since Messiah is from of old, from everlasting, Micah 5:2, Messiah has no true beginning. So the 70 weeks was meant for the nation of Israel to have a beginning point of a decree to rebuild Jerusalem and an ending at the death of their Messiah. I really don\’t see how you can prove your view from the text in Daniel alone.As far as Luke\’s version of Jesus words, you have to understand that Luke does not contain the Olivet Discourse. The abomination of desolation is not mentioned in Luke\’s gospel. It is only in private to His disciples that Jesus explained the events of the abomination of desolation followed by the great tribulation. I use the term "the" with great tribulation because Jesus said it would be unequaled, Matthew 24:21. Since this great tribulation will be so intense, and will be greater than any other tribulation from the beginning of the world and will not be surpassed afterward, it can be safely termed "the" great tribulation, since it is that specific in nature. It will be so intense that if the days were not cut short, no believers would live to see the end of it, Matthew 24:22.The desolation spoken of in Luke 21 concerned the city of Jerusalem and its destruction in 70AD. That is followed by an ongoing trampling down by Gentile nations until the end of the age, Luke 21:24. But to cross-reference events in the Olivet Discourse is a grave mistake since Jesus was speaking on two different occasions. In Luke, Jesus addresses the general public at the temple. In Matthew and Mark, Jesus addresses four disciples in private and clarifies what He previously spoke to the crowds. He gave intimate details about the end of the age on the Mount of Olives that His disciples were specifically asking about. They asked, "What will be the sign of your coming (parousia) and of the end of the age?" They were wondering about the general terms of His coming which they knew would follow the destruction of the temple after it was surrounded by armies. So in the Olivet Discourse, the temple is not so much in view as the end of the age and His coming in power and glory.Compare Luke 21 with Matthew 24 and Mark 13. Luke 21 is quite a bit different. And the text plainly states that they were given on different occasions.Have fun and stay busy – Luke 19:13-The Orange Mailman

  14. Yeshua is the Lord of Glory says:

    Morning DarrinThe book of Daniel is indeed complicated…I can imagine the generations before ours and how they must have gone back and forth with one another about the prophecies.However,am convinced that Daniel 9:27 speaks of Christ Jesus confirming the New Covenant…Now i believe that the middle (midst) of the week spoken of,was the week of the Passover festival…Like many others i believed (recently) that the middle of the week spoke of,was the Lord\’s three and half year ministry…I do believe that the 70 years were to be counted literally,from his birth to the destruction of the temple…Just like the seventy years of Captivity in Babylon were counted…My understanding is that the temple had to be re-built,but onto to the "coming" birth of Messiah the Prince…Darrin,i think that someday we may even get to see the record of his birth,scribed in the temple books…I see your point concerning the tribulation,it being unprecedented or unequaled…However,i believe that Jesus was speaking in terms of the history of that nation alone…That the tribulation was local and centralized to the land of Israel,and not the world… Surely we know that the war that took place in 66-70 A.D. does not rival the world-wide deluge…Nor does it rival that horrific time in history,that we all say with one voice,NEVER AGAIN…I understand that you see the tribulation as a yet future event…Even so,the evidence that the Lord spoke of "great tribulation" upon that Nation and that generation,and in that local,is proven in the discourse itself…Yes i agree that only Matthew and Mark contain the words spoken in private,in the Olivet discourse…However,the words of warning to " flee to the mountains" were directed towards that nation,and was said in plain words…The fact that the Lord\’s words were not recorded as being a private discourse,between him as his disciples,tells us that Jesus\’ warning was for the people living in the land of Israel,from Jerusalem to Galilee…The warning was to and for the people that he spoke to,not a future generation…

  15. Darrin says:

    Hello again-I will add just one more thought here. The Great Tribulation that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24 is against the elect, those who believe in the LORD Jesus as Messiah and are proclaiming the gospel. The destruction of Jerusalem in AD70 saw the deaths of Israelites in unbelief. Had they believed they would have heeded His words and left the city after the initial time when Jerusalem was surrounded by armies. The Great Tribulation comes to a close and the cosmic signs occur after that as a harbinger to the physical return of the LORD Jesus.Have fun and stay busy – Luke 19:13-The Orange Mailman

  16. Yeshua is the Lord of Glory says:

    Hi DarrenYou are right indeed…Vengeance and wrath was poured out on unbelieving Israel,Luke 21:22,23…It was the church that suffered "great tribulation" in the persecutions…The first great persecution of Christians,took place in during the reign of Nero…We need only to read the book of Acts,to know that unbelieving Jews also persecuted and put Christians to death during this time…In that day the whole known world was under Roman rule…Moreover the Caesar mentioned in Acts 25:21 was none other than Nero.It is believed that the Apostle Paul and Peter,were both martyred during the reign of Nero…Jesus was not warning unbelieving Israel to " flee" to the mountains,but believers,and when they saw the armies surrounding Jerusalem.That they not be caught in the siege of Jerusalem…That the Lord no doubt spoke to believing Jews in Luke 21,so they would have understood that Gentile armies standing in the holy land (place) coming to lay waste to the city would be the abomination of desolation to all Jews…Darrin,if Gentile armies surrounding Jerusalem and this persecution of Christians,that took place at the same time,is to be believed as a (yet) future event,why would Jesus warn believers of that generation and living in that local (land)? Further,i believe that this is reason that the Apostle John sent letters to those seven churches of that day…Those were the churches that existed then and these Christians were living under Roman rule,providence,oppression and most of all persecution…Jesus being seen and coming in a cloud,Luke 21:27,was not a literal coming (Hyper-Preterism) but a coming in judgment,that the whole nation of Israel would understand,from OT scriptures…Remember Jesus\’ very words caused Caiphas to tear his garments and accuse him of blasphemy,Matthew 26:64,65…He understood that Jesus answered his question as to who he was,by speaking of the coming fulfillment(his own fulfillment) of the prophecy of Daniel 7:13,14…Thanks Darrin…

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