Moses in Malachi 3 ~ Link

There is someone else who agrees with me on seeing Moses in Malachi 3. You can read my post at this link here which explores the idea that both Elijah and Moses are spoken of in Malachi 3 and 4. Basically, Elijah is the messenger termed “my messenger”, but Moses is the messenger of the covenant mentioned in the second part of 3:1. In chapter 4, Elijah is mentioned by name in verse 5, but just before that in verse 4 there is the mention of the law of Moses. The command is to remember the law of Moses which correlates with the purification of the sons of Levi which is explained in 3:3-4.

So here is the link to the Harbinger Dardinger. I don’t agree with the everything in the article and I see no need to suggest that the abomination of desolation will be moved as is suggested. However, there is a little more depth to this presentation of Moses being present in Malachi so I put the link here and let the readers study. I hope you find it insightful.

Have fun and stay busy – Luke 19:13

-The Orange Mailman

 

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4 Responses to Moses in Malachi 3 ~ Link

  1. Mo Dardinger says:

    Thank you for reading my blog, Darrin, and for giving your readers a link to my “Moses in Malachi” post. I have a question for you. If the Abomination is not moved, then how can there be holy, God-pleasing worship within the seventieth week Temple? Will it not be defiled while the Abomination remains in the Most Holy Place? I admit that the moving of the Abomination is just a guess on my part concerning how these events will play out, so if you have a better guess please let me know.

  2. Okay, Mo. We’ve got a lot going on in these passages. It is tough to correlate Malachi 3-4 with Revelation, but here we are taking a stab at it.

    First off, I believe that the two witnesses may very well prophesy during the first half of Daniel’s 70th week. Then when the beast arises out of the bottomless pit, He kills them during the great tribulation after they have completed 1260 days of testimony. So the two witnesses testify. Then the abomination of desolation. Then they are killed and the whole world rejoices. Then after the great tribulation comes the wrath of God.

    Second, I don’t believe that the temple sacrifices will be pleasing to God at first. When they are initiated, this may very well be empty ritual on behalf of the nation of Israel (not yet a part of the new covenant as a nation). This is why Moses (someone in the spirit and power of Moses) has to come and instruct the Levites on what the “covenant of Levi” is all about, see Malachi 2:8. Once the two witnesses have come and turned the hearts of the children to the fathers and fathers to the children, then they will understand. However, I don’t believe this will happen until the 144,000 are sealed to remain here through the wrath of God. So I agree that Malachi 3:4 shows that the offerings offered by the sons of Levi will be pleasant at some point in time, but this may not be until after the temple is cleansed which I believe to be at the end of Daniel’s 70th week.

    This brings me to the third point. Daniel 12:11-12 are ambiguous and have caused a lot of speculation on what happens in the additional 30 and then 45 days following the 1260 days. I believe Daniel 8 is a backdrop for this passage. Daniel 12:11 states that from the time of the abomination of desolation there shall be numbered 1290 days. Daniel 8:13-14 (speaking of the desolation by Antiochus IV) states that there shall be numbered 2300 evening-mornings and then the sanctuary shall be cleansed. Following this logic, Daniel is given the time frame for the entire time that the abomination of desolation will remain in the temple. The abomination of desolation is set up, and then 1290 days later the sanctuary is cleansed. Now it may be taken down before then. There is an 8 day purification process to rededicate the altar at the temple. So perhaps it is a process.

    The 12,000 Levites can wait patiently throughout the wrath of God for the time to come to offer up those pleasing sacrifices. Revelation 11:1-2 shows that perhaps the abomination of desolation will be confined to an outer court. The true worshipers are in the temple and have charge of the altar, but the Gentiles are trampling down the outer court. So, to me anyway, there are many possibilities here.

    I hope that muddies things up.

    Have fun and stay busy – Luke 19:13

    -The Orange Mailman

    • Mo Dardinger says:

      I think I understand your timeline presented here (and hope that you followed my timeline without difficulty). One concern that I have with your timeline is the 42 months. The two witnesses testify for 42 months or 1,260 days or 3 ½ years. These three terms are used interchangeably in a few places. Every time I have tried to move one of the events from the 42 months “out of sync” with the last half of Daniel’s seventieth week, I’ve found it doesn’t hang together. “The 42 months” turns out to be one particular period of time, and all of the events identified with it happen at the same time.

      I agree with you that the 70th week Temple sacrifices will not be pleasing to God at first. That’s why He sends Moses along to straighten out the priests and the Levites.
      Do you mean that you think the 70th week Temple will be cleansed and anointed after Daniel’s 70th week ends? If you do, we part company there.

      A series of blog posts I’ve been drafting discusses the six promises that God made to Israel in Daniel 9:24. Each of those promises will come true. Absolutely. By the time the 70 Weeks have run their course. Absolutely. One of those promises is the anointing of the Most Holy Place in God’s Temple in Jerusalem.

      It seems to me that the Temple will have to have been cleansed before the Most Holy Place is anointed. After this cleansing, for whatever remains of the 70th Week, the offerings there will be presented “in righteousness” (Mal. 3:3) and will please the Lord (Mal. 3:4).

      That righteous offerings are being made at this 70th week Temple is indicated by the fact that John is to measure “the temple of God and the altar and those who worship in it” (Rev. 11:1). The Temple of God and the altar are holy by then. But John is not to measure the court outside the Temple (which, in contrast, is still defiled by the pagans) (Rev. 11:2).

      I can’t see my way clear to agree with any timeline that has the Most Holy Place anointed after the 70th Week ends. The cleansing must occur before the anointing does, and the anointing has to happen during the 70th Week of Daniel. Because God promised it would.

      Yes, perhaps the abomination of desolation is confined to the outer court, the Court of the Gentiles, rather than the Temple proper. Or perhaps it is set up on “a wing of the Temple” as some translations of Daniel 9:27 allow for. Either of those possibilities would allow for the cleansing of the Temple and the anointing of the Most Holy Place during the 70th week, while the abomination is still around (as it will be until the end of the 30 days, I believe). So that would eliminate the need to move the abomination—it will (apparently) already have been moved so that it is not “standing in the Holy Place” (Matt. 24:15) as it was at the start of the Great Tribulation.

      You raise some other issues which we can look at (sometime), but which don’t appear to be directly related to your objection to my timeline. Thanks for the discussion. 🙂

  3. Hey Mo-

    I believe the 1290 days may be considered the last half of Daniel’s 70th week in some respects. The additional 30 days does not need to occur after “Daniel’s 70th week” as in, the 7 year period. That additional 30 days will fall outside of a time period designated as “1260 days” or “42 months”. So I don’t see the contradiction. If the text of Daniel 12:11 is pointing to the 1290 days as the time when the abomination and then cleansing occurs, that does not contradict Daniel 9:24 as you are setting it forth, which I happen to agree with as well.

    The issue that I have with the timing of the two witnesses is the trampling down of the city of Jerusalem for 42 months. This to me is the final time period described in Luke 21:24. This shows that the times of the Gentiles is coming to an end. No longer will Jerusalem be under Gentile control in any way. Jerusalem will now be liberated. So picture this alongside some of the other things that are currently set forth in your timeline. Jerusalem is now liberated. Gentiles are no longer controlling Jerusalem in any way. Yet some believe that the antichrist has just killed the two prophets and the whole world is rejoicing. The bodies of the two witnesses are lying dead in the streets of Jerusalem and it is forbidden for anyone to bury them in a grave. This is incongruous to me.

    So how long does the antichrist/beast have control of Jerusalem? How long before Jerusalem is liberated from Gentile control? It all has to fit together. It seems that whenever the two witnesses are killed, that the Gentiles still have control over Jerusalem.

    Have fun and stay busy – Luke 19:13

    -The Orange Mailman

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